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Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?Gonna be buying some new caps for my Epi Les Paul. I'v got a Seymour Duncan Custom in bridge and Jazz in neck position. I generally have the volume and tone controls on 10, but was wondering what the difference between these two cap values would be?
I mainly play hard rock and metal if that helps.
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Zhangliqun
Questionologist
- NW Missouri
- Apr 2004
- 7954
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
I would say go with the .022 for the neck and a .010 for the bridge, but that's me.
The difference is that the .047 will cut a wider range of the treble frequencies than the .022, in other words -- just grabbing numbers out of the air to illustrate -- the .047 maybe affects everything above 2kHz while the .022 affects everything above 4kHz.
That's a huge oversimplification because the range of frequencies affected actually changes as you turn the knob, but you get the idea -- the .047 will cut out a lot more treble.
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Luke Duke
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- Mar 2004
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Originally posted by Zhangliqun
I would say go with the .022 for the neck and a .010 for the bridge, but that's me.
The difference is that the .047 will cut a wider range of the treble frequencies than the .022, in other words -- just grabbing numbers out of the air to illustrate -- the .047 maybe affects everything above 2kHz while the .022 affects everything above 4kHz.
That's a huge oversimplification because the range of frequencies affected actually changes as you turn the knob, but you get the idea -- the .047 will cut out a lot more treble.
Maybe an oversimplication, but an accurate portrayal....Definite props man!
I like the .022, and .033. The .047 is just too much for me though.
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Zhangliqun
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- NW Missouri
- Apr 2004
- 7954
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
It's also important to note that even with the volume pot on 10, the capacitor will still drain away some highs -- so your guitar will sound a bit duller with an .047 than an .022 even when you have the volume dimed out. Go with .022 or lower...
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gordon_39422
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- May 2004
- 719
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Originally posted by Zhangliqun
It's also important to note that even with the volume pot on 10, the capacitor will still drain away some highs -- so your guitar will sound a bit duller with an .047 than an .022 even when you have the volume dimed out. Go with .022 or lower...
A no-load pot would help some by removing the pot itself from the signal path, correct?
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Zhangliqun
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- NW Missouri
- Apr 2004
- 7954
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Correct.
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matrixman_397
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- UK, London
- Mar 2005
- 51
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Originally posted by Zhangliqun
It's also important to note that even with the volume pot on 10, the capacitor will still drain away some highs -- so your guitar will sound a bit duller with an .047 than an .022 even when you have the volume dimed out. Go with .022 or lower...
Ok thanks mate, was actually thinking of going with the .047 before as those seem to be the suggested values for Seymour Duncan pickups, but will prob go with the .022 now. Will get them both anyway since there cheap enough.
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kjrocks
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- Mar 2005
- 3957
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
I just put .022's in my epi paul and they work and sound great.A huge improvement over the stock caps.
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bop/fusion freak
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- Mar 2019
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
I agree with this the standard description, .022 will cut less high than .047. It also depends on the music you going to play and the type of instrument.
Pots also play an important role on the sound.
A few years back I was performing every day Jazz and Brazilian and Funk stuff, trio and quartet,
I was playing an 81 347 axe, I never even thought a sec about all this electronic stuff,
I was just playing and adjusting the pots, and that was it.Comment
AlexR
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- Aug 2010
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Wow, this is the biggest necro I've seen yet.
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- Aug 2005
- 4563
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Yep, 14 years. It's good one.
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GuitarStv
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- Dec 2004
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Correct answer to the original question is . . . about 0.025 uF.
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AlexR
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
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Yep, 14 years. It's good one.
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ItsaBass
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
The difference is, obviously 0.025 uF.
But for reals, the higher valued capacitor will allow slightly lower frequencies to be bled off by the onboard tone control. With the tone control on 0, a 0.022 uF cap will give you a little bit more midrange than you will get with a 0.047 uF (the 0.047 uF will give you a bassier tone). 0.01 uF gives you even more mids. 0.0047 uF, even more, and so on and so forth.
Going lower than stock in cap value can appear to make the treble rolloff less extreme. I think that most stock cap values are too high, and I usually go straight for a cap at least half the value, and often end up at 1/4 the stock value, and sometime 1/8. I prefer very subtle tone controls, so I also use linear taper pots for tone. The combination of low valued cap with a linear taper pot gives you a tone control that allows extremely fine adjustments across most of the range, and won't "mud out" till near the bottom...and even when it does, gives you more of a "co*cked wah" tone than a "muffled" tone.
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Jacew
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- Nov 2016
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Re: Difference between .022 and .047 Orange Drop caps?
Originally posted by ItsaBassView Post
The difference is, obviously 0.025 uF.
But for reals, the higher valued capacitor will allow slightly lower frequencies to be bled off by the onboard tone control. With the tone control on 0, a 0.022 uF cap will give you a little bit more midrange than you will get with a 0.047 uF (the 0.047 uF will give you a bassier tone). 0.01 uF gives you even more mids. 0.0047 uF, even more, and so on and so forth.
Going lower than stock in cap value can appear to make the treble rolloff less extreme. I think that most stock cap values are too high, and I usually go straight for a cap at least half the value, and often end up at 1/4 the stock value, and sometime 1/8. I prefer very subtle tone controls, so I also use linear taper pots for tone. The combination of low valued cap with a linear taper pot gives you a tone control that allows extremely fine adjustments across most of the range, and won't "mud out" till near the bottom...and even when it does, gives you more of a "co*cked wah" tone than a "muffled" tone.
Edit. Ahhhhhhhh, ****! Vintage thread!
Yep. I greatly prefer combination of small cap (2,2nf - 10nf) with small pot (or resistor in my case) even with single coils. Larger caps cut way too much midrange.
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